{"id":1489,"date":"2011-09-03T11:01:06","date_gmt":"2011-09-03T11:01:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.bakkah.net:\/en\/?p=1489"},"modified":"2022-03-25T07:43:05","modified_gmt":"2022-03-25T11:43:05","slug":"intercession-waseela-dead-hear","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bakkah.net\/en\/intercession-waseela-dead-hear.htm","title":{"rendered":"Rational Discussion of Intercession and the Issue of the Dead Hearing"},"content":{"rendered":"

Can the dead hear, (I was under the impression they couldn’t)…?\u00a0\u00a0Seeking waseela with saints (while acknowledging that Allah gives all)? I basicaly need to know what the view is on them…<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

In the Name of Allaah, the Most Merciful…\u00a0\u00a0May His Salaat and Salaam be upon His Messenger…<\/em><\/p>\n

Allaah the Most High has said, what means [1]:<\/p>\n

( Surely you can not make those in the graves hear. )<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

So here is the general rule<\/strong> – the dead do not<\/strong> hear, as stated clearly by the Knower of all things.<\/p>\n

Then, there are some specific exemptions from this general rule, like the defeated enemies of the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam<\/em>) being addressed in the well at Badr, and the dead hearing the footsteps of those at their burial walking away.\u00a0\u00a0These two specific exemptions have been authentically reported by the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam<\/em>).<\/p>\n

Combining the texts is quite simple, from the easiest ways of combining texts that some people feel have some kind of contradiction is a principle called “‘Aamm<\/em> and khaass<\/em>“.<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0The general rule has been stated by Allaah in His Book, and VERY specific cases were exempted from that generality.<\/p>\n

So the dead can not hear<\/span><\/strong> – as a general rule – however, at the time of burial the deceased can hear<\/span><\/strong> the footsteps of those walking away from his burial.<\/p>\n

And again, the dead can not hear<\/span><\/strong> – as a general rule – however, at the time of defeat, the Prophets would declare the promise of Allaah to be true, and ask the defeated enemies who were killed to testify to that.\u00a0\u00a0(NOTE: without waiting for an answer!!)<\/strong><\/p>\n

A simple question here:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Could these two texts allow us to consider the Statement of Allaah to be abrogated?<\/p>\n

The answer:<\/strong><\/p>\n

That would mean abrogation in a fact of the unseen, and the scholars mention that this concept is outside of the field of abrogation<\/strong>.\u00a0\u00a0It would be like Allaah saying, what means, “The dead can not hear,” and then saying, “Actually they can.”\u00a0\u00a0Abrogation is limited to fiqh<\/em> rulings and can not be considered in issues of ‘aqeedah<\/em> and information about the ghayb<\/em> (like descriptions of the Hereafter or stories of the past).\u00a0\u00a0So to claim abrogation in this case is totally invalid<\/strong>.<\/p>\n

Another question:<\/strong><\/p>\n

What kind of actions did these texts produce from the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam<\/em>) and the Companions, from what is authentically reported?<\/p>\n

Did these two texts lead anyone – even one Companion<\/strong> – to seek things – even one thing<\/strong> – from the deceased?\u00a0\u00a0Or to do “waseelah”<\/em> through any of the deceased?<\/p>\n

More clearly – the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam<\/em>) was our example, showing us all ways to gain nearness to Allaah, by his example he led us!\u00a0\u00a0Did he go to the graves of the previous prophets and seek anything from them or through them?<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0If that were the intended understanding in Islaam, would it not have been his job to lead by example and show us how to ask the deceased, the manners, the limits, etc. by his example as he did in all important affairs of the Religion?\u00a0\u00a0And would not the noble Companions have busied themselves transmitting that and acting upon it?<\/p>\n

The answer is obvious:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0That was not his understanding!\u00a0\u00a0Or theirs!\u00a0\u00a0They were told of the status of some of their beloved who passed away, like Sa’d ibn Mu’aath for example, and others who were defined as people of Paradise!\u00a0\u00a0Obviously owliyaa’<\/em> (special allies) of Allaah, beloved to Allaah, forgiven, and Allaah was pleased with them.\u00a0\u00a0These are the righteous who we have not a shred of doubt about their piety – people of Paradise who died as martyrs!\u00a0\u00a0So this would be the perfect occasion – if it were legislated<\/strong> <\/em>– to request something from one of them or “through” them.\u00a0\u00a0Yet, look for the reports – you find nothing<\/strong>!<\/p>\n

So the question arises…<\/strong><\/p>\n

Is it that the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam<\/em>) and his companions did not understand properly<\/strong> and therefore they lost out<\/strong> on a big opportunity – while the people of “tawassul”<\/em> of today who ask Allaah for things “through” the deceased have properly understood the issue in a more complete and thorough way, better in understanding and practice than those who received and witnessed the revelation as it came down!?<\/p>\n

The answer again is clear.<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0The Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam<\/em>) was correct.\u00a0\u00a0He was honest and dedicated to showing the Muslims every single way to draw near to Allaah, and this way is simply not from them.<\/strong><\/p>\n

VERY INTERESTING POINT<\/strong><\/p>\n

Actually, this way of seeking things from Allaah alone “through” the deceased was indeed practiced<\/strong> by some of the people in the time of the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam<\/em>).\u00a0\u00a0So I guess I have to admit it does have a precedence.<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0The people of Makkah used to ask Allaah alone for their needs, yet they used to make “tawassul”<\/em> through the deceased.\u00a0\u00a0Allaah recorded their reason for doing so in the Qur’aan, what means: [2]<\/p>\n

( They would say, ‘These are our intercessors with Allaah.’ )<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

While they believed clearly that only<\/strong> Allaah provided for them, only<\/strong> He created them and everything else, only<\/strong> He causes life and death, and thus, their requests were made TO Allaah alone<\/strong>, meaning they did not ask the deceased to forgive them, they did not ask the deceased for wealth, children, or anything, rather they only requested things from Allaah alone<\/strong>!\u00a0\u00a0Yet, their request TO Allaah alone were made THROUGH<\/strong> others, and they said, “These are our intercessors with Allaah.”\u00a0\u00a0<\/em>To them, this did not violate or oppose their belief in Allaah’s Sole Lordship.<\/p>\n

So this practice that existed in the time of the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam<\/em>), which is similar<\/strong> to what many people who ascribe to Islaam today endorse – to use such and such pious person as an intercessor, and ask Allaah THROUGH<\/strong> him… Was this practice accepted and endorsed, discouraged, or prohibited in the time of the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam<\/em>)?<\/p>\n

THE CRUX OF THE MATTER<\/strong><\/p>\n

You should now acknowledge that we have arrived at the heart of the matter and the answer to confusion related to this issue is about to become very clear by Allaah’s Permission!<\/p>\n

The answer:<\/strong><\/p>\n

This practice was not endorsed or accepted.\u00a0\u00a0Nor was it discouraged.\u00a0\u00a0Nor was it simply prohibited as being haraam<\/em>!\u00a0\u00a0Instead, it was made as an example of THE SIN<\/strong> that Allaah will not forgive, THE CRIME<\/strong> against the Beneficent Lord that leads to eternal punishment, and THE VERY ACT<\/strong> that drew the lines of battle between the people of towheed<\/em> – the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam<\/em>) and his purely monotheist following (may Allaah be pleased with all of them), and the polytheists who refused to abandon their intercessors and make their worship for Allaah alone!<\/p>\n

Regarding their requests from Allaah through these intercessors, they said, as Allaah recorded in His Book, what means: [3]<\/p>\n

( We only worship them to draw nearer to Allaah )<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Now remember when I said that this actions was “similar”<\/strong> to the practice of some of the people who ascribe to Islaam today who endorse this sort of so-called “tawassul”…\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong>I did not say “identical,” but rather “similar,” for a reason.\u00a0\u00a0There are some very important differences between them and the people of today.<\/p>\n

1)<\/strong> The people in the time of the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam<\/em>) knew what they were doing was worship, and they knew that it was in direct contradiction to the message of “laa ilaaha ill-Allaah<\/em>” they were being invited to, and thus they fought him over it with their lives and wealth.<\/p>\n

2)<\/strong> The people of today who do this while ascribing to Islaam believe their practice is endorsed by Islaam!!\u00a0\u00a0And they believe they are worshipping Allaah upon towheed<\/em>!\u00a0\u00a0So, as pointed out by our scholars, the people of today who worship Allaah “through”<\/strong> the deceased are more ignorant of the meaning of Islaam than the polytheists of Makkah who fought against our Messenger (sallallaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam<\/em>)!<\/p>\n

3)<\/strong> Furthermore, the people of today sometimes use intercessors that were irreligious themselves, sometimes even polytheists who taught shirk<\/em>, while the people of Makkah used angels and prophets to intercede for them (which was\/is still shirk<\/em>).<\/p>\n

From these few points, you can see how even the polytheists of Makkah who fought against the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam<\/em>) were more knowledgeable about the meaning of worship, towheed<\/em>, shirk<\/em>, and thus Islaam, than the modern endorsers of so-called “tawassul”<\/strong><\/em> through the deceased.<\/p>\n

In conclusion<\/strong><\/p>\n

I hope that these simple lines have cleared some confusion about this matter.\u00a0\u00a0May Allaah bless you all and grant us understanding in His Religion.<\/p>\n

May He grant us knowledge of what is right, and the humility, courage, patience, and strength needed to follow it with our hearts and limbs.\u00a0\u00a0And may He also grant us knowledge of what is wrong, and the humility, courage, patience, and strength needed to oppose it with our hearts and limbs!<\/p>\n

And Allaah Most High knows best, may His Salaat<\/em> and Salaam<\/em> be upon His Final Messenger to Mankind.<\/p>\n

Written by: Moosaa Richardson<\/em><\/p>\n

ST Archives:<\/strong> 09-22-2009<\/em><\/p>\n

FOOTNOTES:<\/strong><\/p>\n

[1] Soorah Faatir<\/em> (35):22<\/p>\n

[2] Soorah Yoonus<\/em> (10):18<\/p>\n

[3] Soorah az-Zumar<\/em> (39):3<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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